The thing about her younger sister was a joke. She appeared on camera in a banana costume and never actually did any sex work and doesn't intend to. You can check her page, it's one of the first notes up there
Got it, I stand corrected - although you'll forgive me if I didn't check. One of the hard things about this post was trying to search for information without ending up on a list.
Her other weird hypotheticals are fair game. :)
Edit: now that I think about it, this more or less proves my point. She loves using shock value as a marketing tactic.
Deep left wasted hours engaging with a bad actor who thrives on negative attention. Rohan wasted a couple hours engaging with someone who wasted his time engaging with a bad actor. I wasted ten minutes of my time reading and responding to someone engaging with someone who is engaging with someone who is a bad actor.
You the reader of this comment, wasted 30 seconds of your time engaging with someone engaging with someone engaging with someone who is a bad actor.
I don't think it's just a waste. I think the culture is now turning, from the grassroots. It took this much collective time in the 60s and 70s to make the current norms overturn prior norms; it took similar amounts of collective time to accomplish the Reformation and the Enlightenment. This is simply how long and costly the processes of mass cultural change are.
The internet is such a fucking time and energy waster. I have gained nothing by learning of these things and reading this essay (well written and compelling may it be). And yet here I am, responding to your comment 😂
I frequently find Aella's antics amusing or thought-provoking and this doesn't make me a bad person. Nor is it an endorsement of everything she has ever said, I disagree with much of it, which is a fun experience for me. I like arguing online with people who are wrong about things. She's a kook, and basically a harmless one. The idea that her presence on the internet constitutes a mortal threat to the morality of the next generation is idiotic, and yet you hear it bandied about by very serious thinkers all the time.
Calling the kind of treatment she receives "backlash" or "criticism" kind of misses the mark though. It's vile abuse, frequently perpetrated by unhinged individuals who hate her especially independent of any things she has said. People defend this behavior with reference to the supposedly mortal threat she poses, but in my opinion that's mostly rationale for them wanting to be cruel to an acceptable target.
What are some examples of this vile abuse? Because if it’s literal crimes then I obviously wouldn’t condone that, and I guess if I didn’t emphasize it enough I disagree with the spamming, or any direct calls of violence.
I just found the defence of the things she says/does to be rather weak from DLA. Twitter has been known as a cesspit for the last dozen years at least, and so while I ultimately agree with his conclusions that people shouldn’t be harassed, I’m really not sure what you’re expecting when you constantly give weird surveys that are about edgy subjects.
I don't think it rises to the level of literal crimes most of the time, although I'm absolutely positive some of it does, in the forms of true threats against her. Most of it takes place out of sight in the DMs. I have zero doubt this is true because I've been on the receiving end of it myself, for much milder behavior. Part of this is because a lot of people assume from my profile picture that I'm a woman.
This kind of is the crux of the matter for me: the treatment she gets is so far out of proportion to her crimes that the statement "well what did she expect" falls flat for me. And this treatment has less to do with her being edgy than with her being a woman, and I think a lot of male commenters really don't understand this aspect. I get it, the last decade was filled with online feminists using this excuse to shield themselves from all criticism. But that doesn't mean they didn't have a point. A minority of commenters really are absolutely vile to women online, they aren't making it up.
It’s difficult to measure the proportionality, and I think it’s going to always be a question of personal experiences and intuition.
I’m guessing one of the big differences between you and her is the fact that you’re not constantly posting surveys giving weird hypotheticals where the cure of cancer is molesting a child or something.
I also think another big difference between you and her (correctly me if I’m wrong) is that you’re not trying to farm engagement from people and potentially trying to have sex with them.
But again, no one‘s going to have a unified ratio of “here’s the amount of rage bait I put out“ versus “here’s the amount of rage bait I actually deserve“
Majority of her followers are also men. So if a few people hate her because she’s a woman, the majority of her followers and patrons of her services are also men. So it comes back to you take the good with the bad in the line of work of your choice. Again, assuming you’re right that people hate her due to her gender and not her edgy takes (which is a dubious claim).
Someone came to her door impersonating a government agent and had express intent to murder her. They found the plans and weapons in his car after she called the police. She gets called pedophile and receives credible death threats, etc. It's pretty far out of proportion even if some backlash is to be expected. All she really does is kinky sex works and edgy thought experiments.
I like your comparison of OnlyFans to MMA, although I'm not sure it goes far enough. I think the male comparison is that it's like dating someone in the mafia, or who you know makes money in a shady way. If the money is great, maybe some women won't care, but a lot of women wouldn't want to marry a guy who's always going to be at risk of getting caught doing something illegal--or would be OK with her friends and family knowing he's involved in crime somehow.
That's still not quite it, but something like that. It's a hard thing to convey, but at baseline, it's taking something secret you have--something that's deeply personal and part of your fundamental humanity--and selling it. I don't think OF should be illegal, and I think it would actually be good for society if prostitution was fully legal, but a women who participates in sex work for a long enough period of time lowers her status permanently, which is why it's sad so many young women get into it, especially when 99% of them won't make any money doing it.
Yeah, I believe prostitution should be fully federally legalized, but they don’t want to do that because it would compete with the government’s prostitution (marriage), and they don’t want competition. They want men to continually sign up for the divorce industrial complex. Men sign up for marriage because they think they is somehow “locking down” a woman, but nothing could be further from the truth. She is fully incentivized on breaking that contract, because of cash and prizes from the state.
Personally, I would love to see see a Substacker say they want to destroy Patriarchy, since in practical terms Patriarchy means control of socio-economic power by elderly barren females through their hen-pecked husbands.
They're telling you that they are planning to drive to a bad part of town and park their car for several hours.
You say: "Don't do that. People will break into your car and steal all your stuff."
They do it anyways, and sure enough, their car gets broken into.
You say: "Told yah."
They say: "Woe is me, my car was trashed! You don't support CRIMINALS, do you? Don't tell me I'm the bad guy in this situation! Don't blame the victim!"
That's how I feel about Aella and her trolls. Are her trolls awful people? Quite possibly. But getting trolled was a totally predictable response to Aella's method of using the internet.
The thing I respected Aella most for was her incredibly thick skin. What happened?
I think it’s too easy to make money providing hot takes on the internet these days. You just need few thousand people to find your antics worth a Starbucks coffee a month and you’re making a living. It’s kind of a low bar and people sink to it. It’s like an explosion of radio shock jocks.
Honestly, this is kind of where the purple and blue parts of the political compass split, or (non-leftist) liberals and conservatives. I don't think the Bonnie Blue petting zoo ever happened, and Aella was at least careful to screen everyone in her gangbang (remember the Sankey diagram with 'came in a fluffer' at the end? a lot of guys dropped out).
If you don't have a Christian (or Orthodox Jewish) sense of sacrality, this falls under 'well, that's kind of weird, but it's their business if they want to do something that bizarre'.
Frankly I appreciate her mega-surveys in terms of showing weird taboos' correlations with all kinds of things, doing research on taboo topics in an age when left-wing puritans run the academy, and showing that, yes, women find the nu-men feminists want to make just as unattractive as we hate being them.
Flooding the Internet with computer-generated CP is a really horrible idea, I agree. I don't think anyone ever said she was right on everything.
"If you don't have a Christian (or Orthodox Jewish) sense of sacrality, this falls under 'well, that's kind of weird, but it's their business if they want to do something that bizarre'."
THIS is why art and publishing sucks. The internet lays waste to all of our time and best dreams and ideas. I feel wiped on with this crap now in my head, whereas your work is the opposite.
Neither of these people (Deep left or Aella or Bonnie Blue has anything to do with feminism or any left wing movement. Feminism has become a joke of a movement because it's all debating whether wearing pink or having an orgy or having 8 kids on a homestead is feminist rather than systemic change & collective action. As for DeepTroll, anti-natalists are just misanthropes. Misanthropy on the left would be authoritarian left, he or she must be a Pol Pot fan.
The thing about her younger sister was a joke. She appeared on camera in a banana costume and never actually did any sex work and doesn't intend to. You can check her page, it's one of the first notes up there
Got it, I stand corrected - although you'll forgive me if I didn't check. One of the hard things about this post was trying to search for information without ending up on a list.
Her other weird hypotheticals are fair game. :)
Edit: now that I think about it, this more or less proves my point. She loves using shock value as a marketing tactic.
Name of Substack checks out. (ps- I enjoy your writing, Lirpa)
Deep left wasted hours engaging with a bad actor who thrives on negative attention. Rohan wasted a couple hours engaging with someone who wasted his time engaging with a bad actor. I wasted ten minutes of my time reading and responding to someone engaging with someone who is engaging with someone who is a bad actor.
You the reader of this comment, wasted 30 seconds of your time engaging with someone engaging with someone engaging with someone who is a bad actor.
WE NEED OUR SLOP! GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!
Adding to the time wasting microcosm.
Soon our entire GDP will be based off responding to Aella
I don't think it's just a waste. I think the culture is now turning, from the grassroots. It took this much collective time in the 60s and 70s to make the current norms overturn prior norms; it took similar amounts of collective time to accomplish the Reformation and the Enlightenment. This is simply how long and costly the processes of mass cultural change are.
The internet is such a fucking time and energy waster. I have gained nothing by learning of these things and reading this essay (well written and compelling may it be). And yet here I am, responding to your comment 😂
Nigger
I'm still waking up, to be fair.
How do we right the ship then? What should we be taking about and who should we be talking to?
Curses! You caught me this time....
This is a good post.
I frequently find Aella's antics amusing or thought-provoking and this doesn't make me a bad person. Nor is it an endorsement of everything she has ever said, I disagree with much of it, which is a fun experience for me. I like arguing online with people who are wrong about things. She's a kook, and basically a harmless one. The idea that her presence on the internet constitutes a mortal threat to the morality of the next generation is idiotic, and yet you hear it bandied about by very serious thinkers all the time.
Calling the kind of treatment she receives "backlash" or "criticism" kind of misses the mark though. It's vile abuse, frequently perpetrated by unhinged individuals who hate her especially independent of any things she has said. People defend this behavior with reference to the supposedly mortal threat she poses, but in my opinion that's mostly rationale for them wanting to be cruel to an acceptable target.
What are some examples of this vile abuse? Because if it’s literal crimes then I obviously wouldn’t condone that, and I guess if I didn’t emphasize it enough I disagree with the spamming, or any direct calls of violence.
I just found the defence of the things she says/does to be rather weak from DLA. Twitter has been known as a cesspit for the last dozen years at least, and so while I ultimately agree with his conclusions that people shouldn’t be harassed, I’m really not sure what you’re expecting when you constantly give weird surveys that are about edgy subjects.
I don't think it rises to the level of literal crimes most of the time, although I'm absolutely positive some of it does, in the forms of true threats against her. Most of it takes place out of sight in the DMs. I have zero doubt this is true because I've been on the receiving end of it myself, for much milder behavior. Part of this is because a lot of people assume from my profile picture that I'm a woman.
This kind of is the crux of the matter for me: the treatment she gets is so far out of proportion to her crimes that the statement "well what did she expect" falls flat for me. And this treatment has less to do with her being edgy than with her being a woman, and I think a lot of male commenters really don't understand this aspect. I get it, the last decade was filled with online feminists using this excuse to shield themselves from all criticism. But that doesn't mean they didn't have a point. A minority of commenters really are absolutely vile to women online, they aren't making it up.
It’s difficult to measure the proportionality, and I think it’s going to always be a question of personal experiences and intuition.
I’m guessing one of the big differences between you and her is the fact that you’re not constantly posting surveys giving weird hypotheticals where the cure of cancer is molesting a child or something.
I also think another big difference between you and her (correctly me if I’m wrong) is that you’re not trying to farm engagement from people and potentially trying to have sex with them.
But again, no one‘s going to have a unified ratio of “here’s the amount of rage bait I put out“ versus “here’s the amount of rage bait I actually deserve“
Maybe I'm just biding my time to try to have sex with all of my followers at once at some future date
Maybe it’s all I’ve learned about women or declining T count, but boy, I’m just not that interested in banging chicks any more.
Too much damned trouble. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
I barely watch porn any more.
I’d rather read and learn, like a monk.
Majority of her followers are also men. So if a few people hate her because she’s a woman, the majority of her followers and patrons of her services are also men. So it comes back to you take the good with the bad in the line of work of your choice. Again, assuming you’re right that people hate her due to her gender and not her edgy takes (which is a dubious claim).
Thank you. This is exactly what bothers me so much about all of the hate directed at her.
Someone came to her door impersonating a government agent and had express intent to murder her. They found the plans and weapons in his car after she called the police. She gets called pedophile and receives credible death threats, etc. It's pretty far out of proportion even if some backlash is to be expected. All she really does is kinky sex works and edgy thought experiments.
I like your comparison of OnlyFans to MMA, although I'm not sure it goes far enough. I think the male comparison is that it's like dating someone in the mafia, or who you know makes money in a shady way. If the money is great, maybe some women won't care, but a lot of women wouldn't want to marry a guy who's always going to be at risk of getting caught doing something illegal--or would be OK with her friends and family knowing he's involved in crime somehow.
That's still not quite it, but something like that. It's a hard thing to convey, but at baseline, it's taking something secret you have--something that's deeply personal and part of your fundamental humanity--and selling it. I don't think OF should be illegal, and I think it would actually be good for society if prostitution was fully legal, but a women who participates in sex work for a long enough period of time lowers her status permanently, which is why it's sad so many young women get into it, especially when 99% of them won't make any money doing it.
Yeah, I believe prostitution should be fully federally legalized, but they don’t want to do that because it would compete with the government’s prostitution (marriage), and they don’t want competition. They want men to continually sign up for the divorce industrial complex. Men sign up for marriage because they think they is somehow “locking down” a woman, but nothing could be further from the truth. She is fully incentivized on breaking that contract, because of cash and prizes from the state.
Nothing much to add, but man I love your writing.
Thank you for reading
Personally, I would love to see see a Substacker say they want to destroy Patriarchy, since in practical terms Patriarchy means control of socio-economic power by elderly barren females through their hen-pecked husbands.
Imagine there's a tourist in your town.
They're telling you that they are planning to drive to a bad part of town and park their car for several hours.
You say: "Don't do that. People will break into your car and steal all your stuff."
They do it anyways, and sure enough, their car gets broken into.
You say: "Told yah."
They say: "Woe is me, my car was trashed! You don't support CRIMINALS, do you? Don't tell me I'm the bad guy in this situation! Don't blame the victim!"
That's how I feel about Aella and her trolls. Are her trolls awful people? Quite possibly. But getting trolled was a totally predictable response to Aella's method of using the internet.
The thing I respected Aella most for was her incredibly thick skin. What happened?
I think it’s too easy to make money providing hot takes on the internet these days. You just need few thousand people to find your antics worth a Starbucks coffee a month and you’re making a living. It’s kind of a low bar and people sink to it. It’s like an explosion of radio shock jocks.
Honestly, this is kind of where the purple and blue parts of the political compass split, or (non-leftist) liberals and conservatives. I don't think the Bonnie Blue petting zoo ever happened, and Aella was at least careful to screen everyone in her gangbang (remember the Sankey diagram with 'came in a fluffer' at the end? a lot of guys dropped out).
If you don't have a Christian (or Orthodox Jewish) sense of sacrality, this falls under 'well, that's kind of weird, but it's their business if they want to do something that bizarre'.
Frankly I appreciate her mega-surveys in terms of showing weird taboos' correlations with all kinds of things, doing research on taboo topics in an age when left-wing puritans run the academy, and showing that, yes, women find the nu-men feminists want to make just as unattractive as we hate being them.
Flooding the Internet with computer-generated CP is a really horrible idea, I agree. I don't think anyone ever said she was right on everything.
"If you don't have a Christian (or Orthodox Jewish) sense of sacrality, this falls under 'well, that's kind of weird, but it's their business if they want to do something that bizarre'."
And yet people often do have this sacrality
I don’t know what people like about DLA
what does that say about your taste, my former subscriber?
His older descriptive articles were more interesting
People who defend the Sex Industry tend to be extremely cold and sociopathic.
"DeepLeft’s moral compass with a rather large grain of salt;"
Noooo you cant do that
;)
Aella belongs in a Titanium Burkha. Inshallah, Death To The Sex Havers.
My dearest Rohan,
THIS is why art and publishing sucks. The internet lays waste to all of our time and best dreams and ideas. I feel wiped on with this crap now in my head, whereas your work is the opposite.
I want YOU back.
X
“Clock’s tickin’ on my fifteen minutes of fame…”
- C. Gray
Lap it up while you can.
Tick-Tock, motherfuckers…
Neither of these people (Deep left or Aella or Bonnie Blue has anything to do with feminism or any left wing movement. Feminism has become a joke of a movement because it's all debating whether wearing pink or having an orgy or having 8 kids on a homestead is feminist rather than systemic change & collective action. As for DeepTroll, anti-natalists are just misanthropes. Misanthropy on the left would be authoritarian left, he or she must be a Pol Pot fan.